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Sunday, May 10, 2009

Stress and Pain from the Rally - Alex E

We should all be happy during this rally, right? Well, not so quick. In talking to trader friends and reading incoming emails, I sense a great deal of frustration. Today I would like to share with you two emails, one from a Spiker, another from a Member.

Please post your comments, and later I will return with my own comments.

Best wishes,

Alex

FROM A SPIKER:

Dear Alex,

The group beat indexes during the worst bear market, the group beat Indexes during the final phase of last bottoming on February , However the group has been beaten during last rally.
How can you explain this phenomenon?
To be honest, I have a negative return on my personal trading account since March 9, 2009.
What happened to us?
Have we grown into old and stubborn bears?
Have we got a mental problem , imagining that we are smarter than the crowd and while we try to proof it for ourselves, the crowd earns money?
For example, winners of last week were among bearish spikers and their results were modest, compared to Members who were bullish.
Many of us have manically shorted Mr. Market from week to week, but it has been climbing and climbing.
Based on technical and sentiment indicators , market is overbought and there are no ideas for professional traders to buy this market.
Jason from sentimentrader.com has been neutral since beginning of April.
Of course he didn’t participate in the last two weeks of peakining, however he saved his capital.
May we need some rest?
I think, some of us need a psychological advice.

Best regards
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FROM A MEMBER:

Hello Alex,

All the STOCKs that I have been followING for months have increased by 50% and more, some of them doubled or tripled.

At the beginning of March, I was about to jump into the market and buy with both hands. At that time many signals told me a reversal could appear soon. I didn’t do it because that was not the way I learned: chasing the lows, red impulse, massive amounts of money into a few stocks, etc.

Since then, I have been watching the market going higher and higher. All my friends, amateurs, are buying and making money. Even my mother is making money and everyone is wondering what’s going on with me, the most educated one on the topic. The greater fool theory works perfectly as Stephen M suggested it a few weeks ago. They buy far from the averages and their values keep going higher.

I feel very stupid. In fact, I have never felt so dumB. I have the feeling that all the work I perform religiously on a daily basis is useless. In addition to technical analysis and psychology, you can’t imagine how much I read about the financial system, the economy, the complex relations between gold, Oil, USD and raw materials as well as Forex in order to understand the environment I had to face up, aiming at building a consistent system for monitoring the markets and trading in a professional way.

Reading in your books that the market is manic-depressive is one thing. Living it is another story.

I made some money with the energy sector capturing one third of the movement. However, you know how the beginner’s mind works: I can’t help calculating how much I could have earned if … and if … I’m trapped in mental loops of fictive profits with all the values I followed.

You are a busy guy and you don’t have to answer me. I just want my shout to be heard by someone who understands because around me, it is the garden party. Regrets, sadness, bitterness, frustration, I feel very lonely. I can’t imagine the day I will be able to make a living with the markets. I’m ashamed of my poor performance. It is hard to stand back and to see this situation with a pinch of salt.

Have a nice week-end.


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Thank you for your sincere emails.
To all - please comment, and I will return with my own comments later

all the best,
Alex

12 comments:

  1. Alex --

    Because of my own disgruntlement I had decided to sit out this week and not submit a pick, to catch up, regroup, study, and regain a little perspective. I had a sense of disappointment and failure from not participating this week, and then I saw your post. How very timely!

    I relate strongly to the second email. As a beginner I don't feel that I should be particularly successful right out of the box, but my talent for buying into pullbacks and missing the big up days has been humbling. I'm a little ahead in my personal and Spike accounts, but the trades have been unsatisfying, and the last two losers. I hope to fix a few things this week.

    Thanks for posting these emails, and I look forward to your comments.

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  2. These comments ring true to my own experience. I have been working hard trying to do the "right" thing by study and exercising care. It is frustrating to see an amateur friend make money hand-over-fist because he is buying anything when everything is going up. However, this rally will run out of steam and then those who made the easy money will likely give a lot of it back. If this is a Bear Market rally (which I personally believe to be the case), then those amateurs who think it is easy will pay a very large price down the road. Yes, it looks easy but where money is involved, it never is. The markets are rallying strongly right now but also unrealistically. In the short run, the market is a voting machine (where we are right now) but in the long run it is a weighing machine (that is still to come).
    I have studied prior Bear Market rallies and the one we are in right now is within historical size and duration. It does have a good chance at going longer than anyone can imagine - the rallies of the DJIA in the 1970's shows just how extreme these things can get.
    My surprise and dismay is not that the undisciplined amateur is beating the heck out of the professional but that the professional cannot seem to get in sync with this rally. Why? Because they don't believe it. They have likely forgotten that the market in the short run is all perception (mass psychology) and they are using their "long-run" wisdom to try to time it. That ain't gonna work.
    I expect that the decline out of this rally will be painful for many who think the markets are easy (how quickly they forget). The market will suck everyone in at some point and then take it all away. That's what markets do and that is why skittish professionals who have been burned plenty will preserve more capital than the sloppy amateur.
    I think Alex said it well in his books: "The objective is to trade well". Do that for a few years and the money will follow. Your alternative is the roller coaster. There will be some up days and some down days and you will be screaming the whole way...

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  3. After reading the posts from the two anonymous readers i can feel the vibes of fustration and negativity that everyone (including me) naturally experiences during the early learning stages of trading. I believe that these hard times are the ones that present the greatest opportunities for you to become better and tougher traders.

    My very first advice is to completely eliminate the words "could of...if", "would of...if" from your trading dictionary. Those terms should not exist because they are destructive to your subjective well being and to your trading account. We don't have control over the markets, but we have the ability to control ourselves and our actions, which i strongly believe is the key to success in trading and in life.

    Spending hours and hours learning about the different markets and how to trade them is not enough for success. The same amount of hours or more need to be dedicated to knowing yourself, your strengths, your weaknesses. Write them down and paste them on your bedroom wall.

    The process of being your own observer starts with a long list of questions that you need to answer honestly. I will list a few here, just to get you started.

    Do you keep a trading journal ?
    If the answer is no, then that is problem #1. The only way you can be your own observer is to miticously keep a trading journal about you, your trades, your setups, your emotional responses, your negative patterns, your positive patterns and on. Write them all down.
    Ask yourself what you are doing right when you make money ? What are you doing wrong when you loose money. How do you feel after huge drawdowns, How do you feel after a long winning streak ?

    Categorize all your thoughts into positive and negative.

    Establish a trading plan that should list your goals and your rules.

    Your goals should not be performance goals such as making x amount per day or per week. Your goals should be process goals. For example, one of my goals was not to put more than 3 trades per day, because i knew i had recurring negative patterns such as over trading especially after winning streaks.

    Establish rules so you can prevent the activation of your negative patterns. Follow them religiously and be honest with yourself. I will promise that over time your trading will improve drammatically. You will stay away from your negative patterns and develop positive ones, which over time will become positive habits.

    Hope this helps :)

    Andrew Palladino.

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  4. Dear friend Elder ,
    It´s me Tulio from Brazil .As a beginner i have learnt that to get success as a trader is not to everyone .So , I share this pain and frustration too .The top secret to be a winner is:(I hope to be right ) NEVER TRADE AGAINST THE BOSS: MR.MARKET.So I trade only when weekly , daily chart and -NL INDEX are pointing to the same direction: long or short .Talking about NH-NL take a look at BRAZILIAN NH-NL daily...this week I will look toward the bears .....thanks ....Tulio.

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  5. Stress and Pain

    It sounds like this market is trying the nerves and confidences of many traders, experienced and beginning alike. I am a new trader (started with Alex in the Dominica Republic in January) like many others but I have taken a different tack. I have taken the advice of the mentors I use, the books I read, the audios I listen to and the seminars I participate in but that's where the common place ends for me.

    Even though the experience of the professionals have cautioned and warned us of the impending Bear reversal it is now a fact that no one really knows and basically we may be in uncharted territory which would be the most difficult to teach, mentor or coach in regardless as the market shoots up.

    I believe the paradigm has shifted for this particular market at this time and the past charts and graphs may not represent what's going to happen which may be a reason for Jason at Sentiment Trader (I subscribe also) may be stuck in neutral because today's market may not compute with the past.

    I personally am disappointed that I have not traded more of my account (only about 30-50%) but I'm excited to know that my equity curve is up over 11% since the beginning of March. Now given that, I made a determination when I decided to become a professional trader that I would accept responsibility for my trades and my actions and my decisions.

    The decisions I make in trading are mine and mine alone. Whether I listen to my coaches or not, go against the grain or not, invest with the trend or protect against the projected bear reversal if I am going to become a professional I will ultimately have to make and be responsible for that decision.

    My mentors afford me the best they can and have experienced a lot even though they are not always available when I need or want them but that's ok too. I am used to operating in a standalone environment and I will survive and I will succeed. This is my testament to this issue. If my tactics don't work in this market I will adjust.

    I read just recently that the two leading characteristics needed to become a successful trader are; Mental toughness and cold calculating discipline. Let the markets be what they will be - I will take my share eventually!

    Gordy Caverly

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  6. Fellow Trader

    Here in Australia we are having the same run up and I am experiencing the same 'surprise' at the extent of it particularly with relation to my indicators which are all screaming overbought however, I do note that for us here there are a few parallels between this rally starting in March and moving strongly through April and into May and the rally that occurred at the same time last year. It is not exactly the same as nothing is in the market but for me there are enough similarities to make it worthwhile.

    I find it really affirming that there are other traders out there that are watching this rally with the same 'dismay' as I am however if there is one thing I have learnt in my short time as a trader it is that there are always more opportunities in the future. Actaully there are a few more things!! Like, trade your system. It is the one that you have backtested, sweated over and have confidence in. Nothing is perfect but jumping off the train that you are on without waiting for the platform (ie. another well tested system) is a recipe for pain and trouble...
    Anyway my two-pennith

    cheers
    Suzanne

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  7. Deep Pain and Regret..it's drive the market keep continue rising and rising...

    The deep pain party is still hoping the market will be back to the price they bought and keep holding position....

    The deep regret party is chasing and keep buying when the market pull back to value since they don't want to miss the train so they come earlier...

    Consequently, The shorter party is keep covering their losing position which pushing market even higher...

    But in my mind...the market is ringing the bell...warning the winner to be calm and stay alert...
    Telling that the market is keep sucking amateur more and more...the get more new blood to awake and run...

    Rudi

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  8. What I think is that sometimes, stead of trading channels, the best approach to the market is buy resistance breakout, whenever the channel says it's overbought or not.

    During recent weeks I was hoping for a pullback because the market was so overbought that I was really afraid to trade. As I noticed it was not going to happen I started to look for resistance levels on charts that indicators and oscillators where confirming and uptrend.

    I really good trader from Rio de Janeiro - Brazil (Didi Aguiar), taught me that if an oscillator where going back to an overbought condition just after leaving that zone, it can flash overbought for some that will not trade this stock, for others on the other hand, will flash HIGH BUYING PRESSURE, MORE TO GO. Those guy will look for an opportunity to buy and those who have not bought will be in pain and regret that they didn't bought.

    That was how I traded in the recent days, I changed my trading mode from return to the value zone, to the resistance breakouts and it turned out a really good deal. I did excellent trades including a call buying of a stock that produced a REALLY STRONG BREAK OUT that gave me a profit of 100% in just two days.

    The question of a 1.000.000,00 how to notice which is the best approach before the movement ends?

    I'am a Brazilian Trader (pelife) and I used these techniques on Bovespa Stock Exchange.

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  9. Good to hear other people voice their feelings about the markets. I have seen a situation developing for awhile -- that some people might have problems adapting to " the new reality" -- because those who were shorting were so strongly rewarded for that talent since September.

    Months of negative conditioning has led us to think a few days up cannot be trusted. Now is a Sea Change. Look at many 5 year monthly charts.

    Several things happened since September that could not be fully captured in Technical Analysis -- Major political influences -sometimes obscure -- on the banks and the rules for shorting, massive sudden moves in stocks caused by the trading departments of big institutions who can move prices. It seems to me they have been moving stocks up and down severely, in
    exercises to recapture capital to cover their derivatives losses. I think Washington has finally figured out there will be insufficient private investment to U.S. businesses without the U.S. leading in a strong stock market recovery.

    Now there is pressure to save U.S. industry and jobs. I believe banks that received aid have secretly been given their marching orders to buy stock in U.S. companies to help them recapitalize and to catalyze an influx of private dollars to the markets so that the atmosphere will change finally.

    In trading the new bull market or the bear rally, whichever you believe, beware the banks and big brokerage's trading departments will manipulate the markets suddenly, to recapitalize, and then from greed. They know the order books and where the stop orders are, and have relationships with market makers.

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  10. Though I expected the rally for some time, the exact moment, like always, came as a surprise. And I didn't benefit from the first weeks because I didn't want to chase exploding stocks. But from the beginning of April till now, the rally was very profitable for me.

    Why? There may be several reasons. In the first place I stuck to my system, buying stocks in a range around the 22-day EMA. During the first part of the rally most stocks traded below this MA, so when they crossed the line and confirmed it, I could buy conveniently, placing stops in case the rally would make a U-turn. It’s not so much my system, which is far from perfect and is only one of many possible and useful systems, but the fact that I trust it that made me buy so easily. I trust it because it can give lots of profits whereas losses are stopped timely. That relieves me from pressures I felt before I trusted the system. I wanted to be a good trader and take proper decisions and miss no market. But that meant more analyzing than trading, and waiting too long to buy. I was too careful and afraid to forecast the market wrongly. I always found signals telling me that a reversal might come up and I kept doubting. The moment I started to trade more or less ‘automatically’, often against my fears and ideas, basing my opinion (with much more distance) only on the weekly graph, my results have improved significantly.

    Concerning this rally I would say in general:
    •Different trading systems profit from different market situations. Not all systems, such as systems based on trading ranges, profit from such a rally. No problem, as these systems give profits during other market conditions.
    •If you learn to ‘react’ on the markets instead of trying to anticipate, you lose fear. Fear to lose money and fear to miss the market. Stops and good money management protect you from the consequences of reacting wrongly.

    And more specifically:
    •The signs that heralded this rally were so obvious (positive divergencies in indices, weeklies, dailies, etc), that I decided this rally would be a major one. That, for me, means: if my system allows, I buy without much thinking, and I take no profits at an envelope. Instead I use a short MA as a trailing stop. Such a strong rally often breaks through many resistance levels and I don’t know where it will stop, so I will follow it as long as possible.

    Am I right? I don’t know, I will see. I don’t need to be a perfect trader of forecaster, and many systems will perform much better than my one. But it works in many cases and that’s enough.

    Hans Niewenhuis
    Camper Dominican Republic 2009 and spike member

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  11. Just thought I'd add a few comments. All traders need to be and remain flexible at all times.

    Although I am in no means a "good trader" someday I hope to be. I think I am a "good analyst". Let me use my "diary" and reflect back on it as an example. Here I am probably one of the BIGGEST BEAR'S on this blog (likely wrong too)...I am in the DOW 4000 Camp! I wrote Alex back on Oct 23, 2008"The Big Picture is Looking Ugly" and thought the DOW could eventually end up near 4000. I suggested that any rally's maybe a good time to do some put buying.

    At the same time I am looking for the onset of a bear market rally as I like to call them. I rejoined the spike group sometime after this and noticed Alex's Blog "Preparing for a Bullish Market". Knowing Alex for a few years sometimes his analysis is so good it is early- premature, sort of like his analogy to sex. :)

    However the charts were jumping out at me and I replied:

    (blog reply)
    March 7, 2009 10:55 PM
    Eric Fremd said...
    "Preparing for a Bullish Market"...I think it should read "Preparing for a Bear Market Rally"...

    I have been waiting for a multimonth bear market rally since January...Maybe Next Month!

    I have been a super bear since November! DOW 4000! (ISH) Who knows if my crystal ball is working or not...All I know is we should have some wild bear market rallies on the way there!

    What to look for? Any great company that is drastically oversold! Even the garbage is likely to rally GM & F & C to name a few...We are getting closer and closer everyday to this event getting started...Who knows it may be short lived as well! Good Luck!

    I wanted to post a chart but this is the best I can do...

    http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh81/etfremd/INDU3_9_09.jpg
    (end of blog reply)

    Just about anything oversold was ripe...So what is the moral of the story? Here I am a DOW 4000 Bear saying go long, go long now "any day now". Be flexible, be able to change your position if required.

    Even after the almost doubling of BRCD I recommended a buy at $4 on this blog. Now one would have made 50% which is not a bad trade. Taking any of the "garbage" as I called them and trading them would have netted a minimum of 100% return on any one of the positions. Looking back at it this Blog has tremdous value. It nailed the bottom.

    Okay so what now? You watched the action from the sidelines and now what? Shorten your timeframe. Trade a shorter time frame. Who knows how much higher this market is going to go? How much legs are left? I still think we will have a couple solid weeks of selling coming soon. As far as the multi month bear market rally? Well I am giving it 6-9 months at least. Maybe more.

    Good Trading,
    Eric

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  12. Hi All,

    So many great comments by very intelligent people - THANK YOU!
    Let me preface my comment by saying that I am a card carrying member of losers anonymous.
    After reading thru these comments, I especially liked this one by Kim, ".......I believe banks that received aid have secretly been given their marching orders to buy stock in U.S. companies to help them recapitalize and to catalyze an influx of private dollars to the markets so that the atmosphere will change finally.
    ......beware the banks and big brokerage's trading departments will manipulate the markets suddenly, to recapitalize, and then from greed. They know the order books and where the stop orders are, and have relationships with market makers....."
    So true.
    In this current market, perhaps we should think like a criminal and Follow the money….. IMHO It’s time to ride this VIX tsunami wave up with the little spec. miners (NG, CDE, etc.) to a new high gold price. Why? – because if you walk thru the store front of smoke and mirror deception and head out to the back alley, you’ll find the “clearance items”. You’ll find what the REAL BIG MONEY is buying. You’ll find them dumping the bid on Banks (they made their money) while simultaneously buying/selling leveraged instruments (long FAZ/short FAS) for more massive gains. You’ll also find them finally lifting their manipulative cap on gold to once again induce a rapid elevation of the VIX by stoking the coals of fear. Today the VIX confirmed a false breakout accompanied by a bullish divergence of the daily MACDH. Sadly, the side effect of their orchestrated manipulation will be higher rates to keep the dollar from drowning. That could ultimately put a nail in this coffin.:( But for now--
    Welcome to the last binge party……hangover anyone?

    All just a bunch of crap from my opinionated head - - FWIW,

    Stephen M.

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